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This is a good article on "appeasement" and Spain. I find the denunciation of Spain as "appeasers" for wanting out of the Iraq war hugely offensive. I don't doubt that the horrendous bombings made some difference to the election, but not as much as Bush and co seem to think - the war was enormously unpopular in Spain, and part of the socialists' election promise was to withdraw troups. They were saying this long before the bombings. Would Bush have dared call them appeasers if the bombs hadn't gone off? It's called democracy, George, and while given your last election experiences I can understand why you're not too keen on it, it's quite popular in the region you quaintly like to call "old Europe". Just because someone disagrees with your war doesn't mean they're pro-terrorism, and I find the notion, to which some of my own government adhere, that not letting American planes fuel here in Shannon has suddenly turned into an act of terrorist-love.

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melusina99
Mar. 21st, 2004 06:17 am (UTC)
It's no more disgusting than the nonsense previously directed at France. "Appeasement" is Dubyaspeak for "dares to disagree with our official line of crap."

Good article, btw. Thanks for the link.
biascut
Mar. 21st, 2004 06:25 am (UTC)
I find it worse than that directly at France because, man, talk about kicking someone when they're down. The anti-French stuff is tedious and repetitive and so on, but the French people who do disagree with US neocon ideology don't really give much of a damn about what US neocons think of them any way.

With the Spanish thing, it was like five minutes of "oh, sympathy sympathy" followed by "you elected a SOCIALIST you evil appeasers!" It just seems to show such a horrible lack of compassion, as much as anything else, never mind the lack of respect for democracy. Ugh.
melusina99
Mar. 21st, 2004 06:43 am (UTC)
It just seems to show such a horrible lack of compassion, as much as anything else, never mind the lack of respect for democracy

You've pretty well summed up the administration's entire approach since Bush was "appointed."

Sorry, I don't mean to sound bad-tempered and cynical. Although I think I am becoming just that. I am living in a country that makes me positively ill with outrage. I can't stand to hear this offensive mindless "appeasement" "war on terror" garbage on the news, on the street, in my workplace, on my computer. I really think the majority of people in my country have lost all sense and actually enjoy being lied to.
stellanova
Mar. 21st, 2004 08:08 am (UTC)
With the Spanish thing, it was like five minutes of "oh, sympathy sympathy" followed by "you elected a SOCIALIST you evil appeasers!" It just seems to show such a horrible lack of compassion, as much as anything else, never mind the lack of respect for democracy.

Yes! That's exactly what I find so upsetting and enraging about it. Thanks for putting what bothers me better than I could!
biascut
Mar. 21st, 2004 09:01 am (UTC)
Even if it was about as teen-speaky as I could get! I don't know where that "like" came from.

Just out of interest, have you seen any reports where Bush has called the Spanish "appeasers"? I've heard of it from rightwing commentators and so on, and I've found a speech of Bush's from just after the bombs where he said "We can never appease the terrorists". But I haven't come across anything where Bush or anyone close to him in the administration has actually said anything as impolitic as electing a Socialist is appeasement of the terrorists. Have you?
stellanova
Mar. 22nd, 2004 02:26 am (UTC)
Well, they didn't say that electing a socialist government was appeasement, but withdrawal of the troups and the support of the war. Which of course was what the socialists had long announced they wanted to do. But yeah, there were a few reports in the Irish Times last week where the White House expressed "sadness" about Spain's withdrawal and refered to it as 'appeasement of terrorism'. Alas, I can't remember the exact words now.
fromaway
Mar. 21st, 2004 03:50 pm (UTC)
A-fuckin'-men.

I'm pissed off that electing a left-wing government is decried as "giving in to terrorism." Oh, because what we're all supposed to do when the bombs go off is rally round the Powers That Be, no matter who they are or what they do. Bullshit.
protoainsley
Mar. 21st, 2004 07:30 pm (UTC)
*snap*snap*snap*

If it's been said upthread, I heartily agree with your brilliance, and wish I could manage to find mine. I know it's somewhere in my flat, but where? Or did the Bushie I spoke to at work a couple of weeks ago steal it for use by the greater evil?

Never mind me. Please carry on with your regularly scheduled out-witting of idiocy.
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