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Oct. 17th, 2004

Some Anglican clergymen are on the news right now talking about their objection to gay clergy and saying that they're just "following the message of the Gospels."

If anyone can point out where Jesus even mentioned homosexuality, let alone his objection to it, please do so, because even though I'm a lapsed-Catholic/agnostic and not a devout Christian, I'm getting very fed up of religious conservatives citing Christ as their reason for objecting to everything from gayness to abortion.


Oct. 17th, 2004 02:31 pm (UTC)
Pah. The Anglican clergy tend to say anything that might get their views aired on TV/in the news/on the radio. I just get cross with them when I hear them just saying 'my religion says x is bad' - at least if they could quote bits and pieces to back up their statements then we might credit them with a little intelligence, no matter how wrong we think they are.

I believe the quote I hear most often about the homosexuality thing is something like 'a man shall not lie with another man as he would lie with a woman.'
Oct. 17th, 2004 02:32 pm (UTC)
That's in Leviticus, though; and I'm sure these people eat shellfish...
Oct. 17th, 2004 02:37 pm (UTC)
Leviticus, indeed. I do think a member of the clergy who doesn't know the Gospels from the Old Testament should really fuck off back to divinity college and not come out til they've learned something, preferably humility.
Oct. 17th, 2004 03:23 pm (UTC)
Exactly. And they're the ones who, in my own lapsed-religion, complain about a-la-carte Catholicism (or Christianity in general)....
Oct. 17th, 2004 03:40 pm (UTC)
That's true, but I've seen and heard plenty of them having selective memories about what is and isn't mentioned. Depends on what cause they're charging off on their horses about at the time I suppose.
Oct. 17th, 2004 02:42 pm (UTC)
Paul also talks about it in the Epistles, which is also the only place that there's any discussion of lesbians - the OT doesn't say anything about them, and Paul's pretty vague.

Did you ever read daegaer's rocking post on the Bible and homosexuality? An improper mixing, it is!
Oct. 17th, 2004 02:46 pm (UTC)
i adore that post. i just revisited it today while sorting through old bookmarks. tis a keeper.
Oct. 17th, 2004 03:22 pm (UTC)
Yes, I remember that! Improper mixing. Hee.

And, I knew about the Pauline reference, but of course while that is in the NT, it's not the Gospels, which is what the clergyfolk on the news were citing to explain their beliefs.
Oct. 17th, 2004 04:35 pm (UTC)
Oh yes, I knew you'd know that - the comment was more a response to Dave's comment than your original post.
Oct. 17th, 2004 03:46 pm (UTC)
Ooh! I'd forgotten all about that, thank you!

We love daegaer, we do :)
Oct. 17th, 2004 04:10 pm (UTC)
That is useful, thanks for the link.

I liked the comment there about the Good News translation. I love their version of Ecclesiastes. Instead of "vanity, all is vanity", they have something like "it is all useless". The whole book comes across as some whinging curmudgeon - a sort of Biblical Eeyore - at one point they have him saying something very close to "and another thing"...


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