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In addendum to my last post: having foolishly gone and read the LJs of some of these gobshites, I am in such a state of seething rage that I would happily do what those arseholes suggest and pick up a gun. Except once I was fully armed, I would then go round to their houses, put the gun to their idiotic heads, and demand that they never, ever do any of the following:

1. Refer to themselves as Irish. Ever, ever again.

2. Call Ireland the "motherland". Or "the isle".

3. Post lists of wildly inaccurate Irish stereotypes which supposedly "prove" their Irishness.

4. Listen to any of the many ridiculous American bands who pretend to be Irish (usually calling themselves and their music "celtic") and give themselves even stupider faux-Irish names, yet never actually play here BECAUSE THEY KNOW WE WOULD ALL LAUGH AT THEM.

5. Make any reference, ever, to "the Brits" and the Evil Things They Have Done to the Poor, Poor Irish.

6. Romanticise a bunch of terrorists. They should all be forced to watch news footage of Omagh, post bombing, then meet some of the people who lost their families or their sight or had various limbs blown off. Let's see how proud of the IRA they feel then.

You know, in all their idiotic ramblings about the Famine ("the Irish Holocaust!" Oh, fuck off) and the Rising, they never mention any of the actual valid reasons for Irish independence. They never mention the ways in which Ireland was deliberately kept agricultural and poor after the industrial revolution. They never mention the Land League or the Home Rule movement or John Redmond. They never even mention Catholic emancipation or the civil rights movement. They just go on about these big violent issues which have been romanticised to fuck (nothing romantic about the industrial revolution - factories might have sullied the glorious green fields of the (puke) isle!) by the worst nationalist extremists. It's all about either the poor Irish being "starved" by "the Brits", or cross-eyed Pearse bellowing about Ireland being freed by blood sacrifice. It's never about boring old things like parliamentary reform or tenant farmers. That might, you know, require them to actually read something that isn't from the Sinn Fein propaganda shop. Bunch of wankers.

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cosmorific
Feb. 15th, 2005 05:44 pm (UTC)
Wankers don't read history books. That's why they're doomed to have me bash them over the head with mine. Repeatedly.

FWIW, I feel the same way every time I see one of those fucking Olive Garden* commercials. Real Italians don't act like those idiots, and they certainly don't consider the homogenized garbage they serve at that stupid chain to be real Italian food.

*Restaurant chain in the US.
ladyxoc
Feb. 15th, 2005 05:49 pm (UTC)
Fucking stupid asses from Michigan. AGH. Yes, like the people where I grew up in Virginia and North Carolina who were all descended from Cherokee princesses. Yes, every damn single one. :-P

I will give you an alibi, if you need it. ;-)
enoneoftheabove
Feb. 15th, 2005 05:54 pm (UTC)
Hey now! My great-great-grandmother was an authentic Cherokee princess! Don't let my red hair fool you! Or the fact that the Cherokee didn't have princesses! She was one, because my mom said so!
stellanova
Feb. 15th, 2005 05:57 pm (UTC)
Hee, thanks!

And heh, were there any Cherokee people who WEREN'T royalty? How helpful that your old neighbours were all descended from princesses rather than beastly commoners!
daegaer
Feb. 15th, 2005 06:02 pm (UTC)
Hey, my cousin is one-quarter Cherokee - can she be a princess too, or is she stuck being a potato gnawing peasant like the rest of the family?
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daegaer
Feb. 15th, 2005 05:58 pm (UTC)
From that "I have a gun!" silly cow's xanga: Just a quick answer the the comment that was posted about my last entry...  I need the drugs for pain that was caused by being shot by a british cop retired when I was fourteen.  I was shot in the face, knees and back which has left me disabled and in considerable pain...  Pain killers and Sniper, my service dog, are constants in my house.  Hope that answers your question...

That would have been nine years ago. It would have been a massive story.

So. Do you remember it? Or perhaps she was shot by a "british cop retired" in the US under US self-defence laws, or something. If she was shot, of course.

stellanova
Feb. 15th, 2005 06:03 pm (UTC)
If a 14 year old was shot in the face by a "British cop" (and surely even a Belfast republican would not call an RUC member a "british cop" - that looks all wrong to me), there is absolutely no way that (a) it wouldn't have been a HUGE story and (b) we wouldn't remember it. For fuck's sake, we all remember Lee Clegg shooting a joyrider in the head, and that was over a decade ago. She sounds like either a liar or a lunatic to me.
stellanova
Feb. 15th, 2005 06:07 pm (UTC)
BTW, I just realised that my last comment might look as if my rage was somehow directed against your post instead of the crazy "shooting victim". It wasn't!
biascut
Feb. 15th, 2005 06:08 pm (UTC)
"Cop" sounds really weird to me - I think of "copper" as Euro-English usage and "cop" as American English. Of course, I'm not particularly familiar with Hiberno-English or NI English, so whatever. But yeah, I agree that it's a bit odd.
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queencallipygos
Feb. 15th, 2005 08:17 pm (UTC)
Arguably, I fear that I might BE one of those aforementioned gobshites, in the sense that I do identify myself as "Irish American," but folk of the sort you've directed us to also make me want to hit things myself. I mean, yes, I have Irish ancestry, and yes, a good friend of mine is the pen friend from Cork I started writing to when we were twelve, but that and $1.50 will get me coffee at Starbuck's.

I'm strangely reminded of a time I was over visiting my friend and she, her brother, and I were poking around in a shop that had incredibly corny music -- choral versions of "How Are Things In Glocca Morra" and the like. I kept rolling my eyes at the music every time something new came on, and finally her brother told me, "Just so you know, this is the sort of music that embarasses us."


...Although, what "Celtic" bands would it do well to avoid over here?...
stellanova
Feb. 15th, 2005 08:23 pm (UTC)
fear that I might BE one of those aforementioned gobshites

But I doubt you're part of a community advocating terrorism! I don't think there's anything wrong with people identifying themselves as Irish-American - it's when they leave off the American part and start ignorantly romanticising the Irish part that I get pissed off.

Also, I think any band which uses the word celtic to describe themselves is best avoided. Or who aren't from Ireland but who play faux-Irish rock music (the one exception to this rule is the Pogues).
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ladyxoc
Feb. 15th, 2005 10:58 pm (UTC)
I've decided the faux druids are my favorites.

to know that somewhere down the line, your ancestors worshiped the trees in the forests and prayed to them, ... this is where i come from, where my ancestors have come from, my family going back to the begining of time lived there, defended that country and that land, prayed in the forests. ...look out on a feild and know that thousands of years ago your family looked out on that same field and felt that same feeling, like your in love with the land, something about it... and its like im in love with Ireland, the culture, MY culture, everything.

If only they could look out on a feild and find a fucking dictionary and pray to that.
stellanova
Feb. 16th, 2005 11:59 am (UTC)
Bwahahahahahaha!
crunchcandy
Feb. 16th, 2005 12:29 pm (UTC)
why why do you make me go read those things? It hurts my brain to see so many stupid people together in one place.
clanwilliam
Feb. 21st, 2005 12:40 pm (UTC)
An English friend of mine has been in a pub on the east coast of the US where she swears they were passing the hat around to "get the British troops out of Dublin".

I thought the landlords of Temple Bar pubs had managed that by banning stag nights a few years ago?

But what do I know? I married one of the jack-booted oppressors myself, so I am clearly a traitor to a noble and glorious cause. Or something.
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